Teen Gothic

I'm very interested in this band and I wanted to ask you what your favorite album was.

I saw a girl on TikTok who was doing “trad goth” makeup and to me as someone very very new to goth subculture it looked like what I thought trad was but there were a good amount of comments saying that it was, in fact, not trad goth. There was like a modern trad v trad debate going on but nobody was articulating what the differences are. Is the music side of the aesthetic only separated by time like when it came out or are modern trad and trad different stylistically? Trying to make my way into the space but goth has become such a buzz word it’s hard to find actual meanings for shit.

i really want to see Sean/LAM live at one point, this year if possible, and I was wondering if anyone had any stories/advice about this particular band.

eg how early people usually get there, if there’s a possibility to say hello to them after the show etc.

Concert or festival is fine, I’d probably see them at WGT in Leipzig.

Take this down if it doesn’t fit.

But what I found the most interesting was how many people with this Facebook group, utterly detest goth music to such a degree. They hate it. Hate its founders. And can’t understand why anyone would listen or form a community around it.

However, they are the type of people who will say that to be goth is not to listen to the music. They all say that it is a mindset, a style, an aesthetic, a historical group, spooky, scary, all of that, but refuse to ever say that the music means anything, and that’s why rhetoric which dismisses goth music as the key to the goth subculture is so harmful.

Goth music is quite literally the one thing which keeps these assholes out on the sidelines because they hate it, aesthetics and fashion does not! Nazi’s and conservatives are like those parasites which infect weak insects, control their bodies and lead them to their colony to continue the infection. The swatskia, totenkoph, skinheads, are just a few examples of Nazi’s co-opting and taking ahold of aesthetics to force their ideology.

They will use aesthetics to draw in the masses under a guise of the dark innocence and the they use it as a way to promote their ideology. Regardless of how you feel about goth and it’s relation to music, I think it’s quite obvious how decentralizing the music to replace it with a “mindset” or those who “feel goth”, just leaves more room for those who “feel goth”, but are also bigots. That’s what I gathered.

I read someone’s comment, and please take credit for it, but they said it isn’t gatekeeping we need, it’s standards and I must agree. That community hates goth and all it stands for, no room for them at all!

Sorry if wrong tag. She wants revenge has been my favorite band for a bit, I adore how they sound and do their vocals. Today I had the displeasure of hearing their live show and im genuinely so confused, I tried to find out if they use auto tune or something but couldn't find any info. I heard tear you apart in the live and it sounds nothing the same, not even a little bit…again im a new fan so there could be different singers or something but if anyone knows id love some info on them <3

What I'm about to write isn't just about recounting my memories, but about addressing the countless questions that so many young people ask themselves: "What does it mean to be goth?" and "Am I goth enough?"

I wouldn't say I'm an old goth, but I was goth at a time and in a place where it had a very strong meaning. By the 2000s, we were already far removed from the original movement, but there was a revival. I was lucky enough to experience it in a European capital at that time. There were parties, bars, bands, and artists. Since we didn't yet have smartphones, social media, etc., if you were part of that scene, it was truly because you wanted to be, because you'd been introduced to the right people. There was this network aspect that really gave it its underground feel. You didn't end up there by chance, but because you were looking for something unusual. All social classes mingled.

Naturally, it attracted all sorts of strange characters. We all came from completely messed-up families, many had experienced terrible things. And I think what united us psychologically was the desire to confront the darkness. We had experienced violence, perversion, things that were very traumatic for teenagers, and we drew our strength from a kind of revenge. Yes, we dressed in black, yes, we shocked people, yes, we listened to music that talked about death, that blasphemed and talked about sex and cemeteries, yes, people gave us dirty looks in the street, none of that scared us, we liked playing with fear, maybe because we were often very afraid in the development of our personalities. It was therapeutic, in a way.

I'm not judging the young people who want to rebuild this movement, which has already been alive and dead several times. But seriously, if you want to keep this going: don't worry about whether you fit in. Don't be afraid to be disruptive, to be the only one saying something, don't try to play it safe, but don't be mean either, but accept that it's a playground for what makes you uncomfortable. If you go there trying to please others, you'll miss out on what creates the energy and you won't experience anything worthwhile. What will connect you to others is breaking boundaries together, including your own. You're not there by chance, so go for it, and see what happens. Go on an adventure, don't be afraid, you're going to rock.

Personally, I love it, but I've seen a lot of hate at least on social media.

Some people say it isn't goth, but drag. Others say it is goth, but modern trad, and I agree, but I prefer to call it glam!

pls do mention bands, decades, etc. if u want :))

Mines burn by the cure. I like they lyrics about grief and the connection it has to the crow movie.

Your fav fun stories from their tour life, or something unhinged and interesting from bands members memoirs..?